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Is God Real?


I am not going to post  an answer to this question until I have a few good answers from my readers. I want everyone who reads this to click the “comments” button on this topic and give me an answer. I would like to hear both sides of the argument; those who do believe He is real and those who do not. I believe this will challenge the believers more than the nonbelievers. But, it will be good for us.

Also, in Brett Wilson’s comment he said “I’ve never been one for debates, mainly because people on both sides tend to defend their side and use the other participants words as ammo to turn back on them.”  I totally agree. I will not approve your comment if it turns into a unprofitable argument.

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12 Responses to “Is God Real?”


  1. 1 Kathy Staggs
    July 9, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Devin to answer the question is easy for me to make this statement…..Is God Real???? Personally YES because if HE is not then who is working the miracles of everyday that many see and those who are able to tell of the miracles within their lives that people never see except from the mouth of those who had it happen.. Also God is the reason that we have breathe to breath.No other person would be able to make a human so this….God is real!!! God wants us to sit at His table and have a feast with him..Satan is only out for destruction and anything Satan touches is ugly when the real picture is seen..Look around and see that the goodness of God is around..Who else could take ugly sin and make a person have a pure, white heart of praise for him…

  2. 2 Tammi Williams
    July 9, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I believe God has to be real to each individual for you to know that he is real. God becomes real in a personal relationship with Him, just like a relationship with your spouse or children. The more that you build in your relationship, the closer, more loving and real it becomes in human life as well as with God. You have to trust in God as you would your spouse if not more. I believe it is a faith and trust issue. If you truly fall in love with God and are in His presence on a daily basis, you can’t help but know he is real!

  3. 3 Cody Maddox
    July 9, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Well Devin you know my standing on this but I don’t believe I had time to back up my position at your house. I was more seeing if you would debate then going from there.
    Well I just don’t find any evidence for it and I’m sorry if it offends any of your readers but I’ve done some searching as a person and research that has been done. Now I am more agnostic on the idea of a God than anything mainly because there is no way to 100% prove/disprove. If there is evidence presented (I mean actual research not the works of faith healing or any of that sort) then I will reconsider my position as any rational being should. I don’t believe that there is any phenomenon that cannot be rationally explained by science. And if there is then that does not mean we can stamp it and say that god did it. Evolution explains the fossil record and unites literally EVERY branch of biology. Cosmological evolution explains how our universe looks the way it does today. And there is no evidence for a 6,000-10,000 year old earth. In fact all the evidence points in the exact opposite direction.

    Now I think most people would believe that the subject of God is more faith based these days. I personally have no problem with faith. I know very good people who are religious but it has very little to do with our relationship. However a lot of people would agree with me when I say that faith needs to be kept out of schools, congress, court houses, almost anything government operated. I am fine with people working in those positions having faith and if it helps them get along with life the more power to them but I do not believe it should affect the decisions of the government because that would be going against the founding fathers wishes. (I am of course talking about America) When most people actually read the founding fathers full writings and don’t go about quote mining ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quote+mining )then they would realize that they were secular. So faith is ok as long as it remains secular in my opinion.

    Now there is research being done where neurologist are activating certain parts of the brain and the people feel like they are connecting with what they call a god and this experiment has been done on theist and atheist and they have all gotten nearly the same reaction. So it is possible that god is real to the person who’s right hemisphere of the brain has undergone natural stimuli and they have felt a connection to what the brain thinks is there.

    So to finally answer the question I do not believe that there is any hard evidence in at the time to answer the question of “is god real”. But my personal belief is, no. And people who have know me know that I have felt the Holy Ghost and I have spoken in tongues and I have felt close to God. So I guess so far I am the odd ball in the group of Devin’s readers. But don’t worry I will still “carry the cross” (Bad choice of words?) for my beliefs proudly. To everybody else I am looking forward to your respect for other peoples beliefs that you will surely show.

  4. July 10, 2010 at 2:57 am

    Well I had a cool little answer worked out but I want to say something to Cody first. Dude, I know where you are coming from OK, I was raised in church and had religion shoved down my throat as truth but I always found it staggering and unbelieving that God (all-powerful, all-wise, all-knowing) would reveal Himself through my 50-member, isolated, bickering, fighting, hypocritical, finger-pointing church. I really struggled with this for a long time and heavily considered atheism from the age of 13-16. None of us can convince you to believe in Christ (only His Spirit can) but I just want you to know that there are people far smarter than you and I who have asked these questions and found God to be sweetly and utterly real. There are some really brainy scholars (both past and present) that love Jesus Christ not because they “felt the Holy Spirit” or “spoke in tounges” but because thier very lives were ambushed by God’s grace. The gospel is power (Romans 1:16-17) and every thing else points to this truth. Don’t base eternity on what you read on the internet or saw on CBS regarding the most recent test.

    If you would, please check out this website http://www.reasonstobelieve.org which is led by an astrologist with all the credentials. Dr. Hugh Ross is an old-earth creationist (believes that the earth is billions of years old) and believes that God caused the Big-Bang. He believes in evolution but not in a vertical sense because he believes that cosmological evidence contradicts this. In fact, you will find that there are tons of non-religious scientist from fields outside of Biology that are finding Darwin’s theory more and more un-believable.

    • 5 Cody Maddox
      July 10, 2010 at 1:00 pm

      Josh,
      I am well aware that there are people that are smarter than me in this world. I am aware that a few of the greatest scientist believed in god. (Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton) But that does not really matter. What matters is what they advanced in the scientific community.
      Also it is not the fact that my old church was very questionable that lead me to my beliefs today.
      I went to the site you posted and I was very skeptic when I saw Dr. Rana on there.
      From what I saw the website is just showing that god can be compatible with science and the idea of a deity is compatible with science simply because science does not speak on whether god is real or not.
      But about the scientist who are rejecting Darwin’s theory,
      1. Darwin’s theory is not the only mechanism to which evolution happens there are also things like frame shift mutations that contribute to it.
      2. If Darwin’s theory has problems with it why do we not see any scientific papers in respected journals being published knocking it down? There has been no evidence that has stood against evolution that hasn’t been debunked thousands of times.
      3. About the scientist outside the field of biology, while I’m sure they are great scientist but I don’t think they really have much room to talk when it comes to the ideas of biology

      And I can promise you that I’m not basing something I just read on the internet or the latest test on CBS. I am basing my belief on lack of evidence as I have said in my original post. The beauty of scientific naturalism is that it progresses its ideas based on fact and evidence.

  5. July 10, 2010 at 3:02 am

    What a huge question Devin. I mean where do we start and how can one answer that question to satisfy a skeptical mind?

    We could talk about science and how the God of the bible is the only God of all the world’s religions that claims the universe came into being independent of matter, energy, space, and time which is precisely what the theory of general relativity (the most proven principle in all of science) claims. In other words the universe had a beginning and something had to cause the universe. That sounds very much like “God created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth” or “In the beginning was the Word” or “Before Abraham was I AM.” Or check out Hebrews 11:3 which says that the “things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.” That is pretty good science for a 2,000 year-old author with no letters behind his name.

    We could talk about history and how the influence of Christianity has transformed the world. This man named Jesus rose to fame from the most obscure of places in first-century, Roman-occupied Palestine. Today His name is global! He still creates controversy and hope. Isn’t it lucky how He predicts this throughout the gospels? He is by far the most influential religious figure in the world. History tells us He lived, gathered a following, and was put to death on a Roman cross (have you read Isaiah 53, 700 years prior to this event?) and I have to believe that His fame is rooted in His historical resurrection. Nothing else explains it. If Christ is not raised then our faith is dead (I Cor 15:14) but I think His fame (much to the annoyance of those who despise Him) testifies that our faith is very much alive and well.

    We could talk about main-stream philosophy that says we are mere accidents; that the driving feelings of the human soul, things like love, joy, admiration, hate, and purpose are simply synapses going off in our brains. There is no objective truth: we are the gods who determine our heaven and our hell. This means that Adolf Hitler and Martin Luther King are basically the same; two meaningless humans who did neither good nor evil because good and evil are a matter of personal and social opinion. Who is to say that slaughtering and experimenting on a particular race of people is wrong? We live in the modern age of science, tolerance, academia, human-rights, technology, sophistication, and yet the past 100 years has yielded more tyrants, more slaughter, and more destruction than any other century. Thank you human progress!

    But if you ask me personally “Why do you believe in God?” it would be this: my heart has been transformed by Him. He was boring, un-interesting, unworthy, and joy-sucking to me and then BAM! His grace captures my heart unexpectedly. He shows up and now He is my heart’s delight. Believe me, this is all the proof I need. The gospel is as the bible predicts “a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles (non-Jews, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss), but to those whom God has called (fools like little-ole me), both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.”

  6. 7 Brett Wilson
    July 10, 2010 at 9:06 am

    I’ve never been one for debates, mainly because people on both sides tend to defend their side and use the other participants words as ammo to turn back on them. I appreciate the kind and open dialogue in this debate. It as it should be.
    Any time discussion about God is brought up it also must bring up the subject of faith an belief. If a person begins to research the existence of God with the full belief He does exist, there is endless support for that belief. The “intelligent design” of everything points to a God.
    On the other hand, a person who is doubting the existence of God will find countless voices to support his/her belief. One must exist it takes large levels of faith to believe in the astronomical odds of the evolution of our world and the species in it.
    I don’t believe either side of the debate is ignorant or even without faith. Everyone believes in something. In my heart and mind I do fully believe in God and that what the Bible has to say is truth. “What about the dinasaurs?” one may ask. I’m not sure. Could it be the Genesis account picks up at the beginning of human history? I don’t know, and to be honest I tend to doubt anyone who says they do. Everything is a theory.
    With that said, I know first hand God’s effect on my life. I too have felt the power of God. I’ve experienced physical healing in my body. I feel a deep relationship with the man I’ve come to know as Jesus that makes no sense to many. I won’t lie and say I have no doubts about my beliefs at times. I feel like the man who said to Jesus, “I believe, please help my unbelief.”
    In conclusion, if I were to answer in one word if God is real I’d say yes. In my mind that’s the law that I base all my thinking upon. Ultimately I will stand to that belief until I find out at the end of my life. If by some chance I’m wrong so be it, but believing with such conviction that it inspires me to love mankind the way He has loved me is giving me a life I wouldn’t trade. There’s a book some reading this may enjoy called “new evidence that demands a verdict” by Josh mcdowell. It’s a point of view to look into.
    Sorry for the lengthy response. I hope everything I said was received as respectful and honest even to those who disagree with me.

  7. July 10, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Cody

    Here is a article to consider (don’t worry, no bible-thumping bias) http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=dubitable-darwin-why-some-smart-non-2010-07-06

    I see your problem with my argument regarding evolution. I also apologize for implying that you didn’t know your stuff (mentioning CBS or internet seemed like a good idea at 2AM ) and I admit that sounded very arogant of me. You are obviously very enamoured with science and I must confess I am not. Not because of religious belief, I’m just not wired that way, I have always found literature, history, arts, and philosophy far more interesting even before I believed on Christ. So I concede I’m not going to win a debate about evolution with you. I do want to however, assure you that I do not think Darwin or his theory has not been useful to science. Darwin was brave and brilliant and I respect that just like I respect Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. I’m sorry for making it sound that way, I understand that Darwin’s finches indeed changed the world of science profoundly.

    I simply want to say that evolution, while very helpful to explain horizontal adaptations within species for the good of that species, while very ground-breaking in pointing to the fascinating similarities among living things, its contributions to genetics are plenteous, is less helpful when it comes to explaining how we got here and how “here” got here. I know, I know if I were an agnostic I might say “Well Josh, maybe science doesn’t explain everything but science is OK with that. We welcome questions” Science as you said is about what can be proven and about fact. But what if one day, science can’t help but point to a Grand Artist? Will science admit it?

    I don’t think so. I think the fact that you don’t see many people questioning long-assumed theories such as evolution (as a means to explain our existance) is because these long-assumed theories are becoming just as sacred as the Catholic catechisms. Why would you find scientific journals and articles arguing for creation when it is almost a prerequisite to reject God as creator to get any respect in the first place?

    I think we would both agree that science cannot explain everything and neither can religion (although I believe God will explain everything one day). There will always be mystery. Some facts may seem to point to a natural, logical explanation for our existence. Yet when my son says “daddy, I love you” I don’t say “I won’t believe it until you can prove it with physical, cold-hard fact! What is love anyway little boy, can you even prove love exists? Goofy, silly, faith-filled dummy!” Though I am aware that I cannot cut him open and find tangible, objective, physical evidence of his love for me, I cannot deny the staggering, objective effect that his words have on my soul. (if I have a soul that is)

    Is it not the un-seen, the un-proven, the un-testable things (justice, hatred, passion, ambition, desire,love) that drive the world anyway? I assure you when you run out of reasons to ecscape (you are young, so you have much running to do) the fact that you are searching for something to satisfy your soul that cannot be looked at under a microscope, when you may experience love from a wife, or witness the birth of your child, or maybe find yourself grief-sticken when you lose someone you love (that is, if love or grief exists), or when you are gasping for breath on a hospital bed one day…. in love, in fear, in joy, in grief, in death science will fail you.

    With that in mind, I urge you to ask more questions and perhaps be less satisfied with the explanation of your existence.

    • 9 Cody Maddox
      July 11, 2010 at 3:10 pm

      Josh
      I also thing you are gifted with intelligence we just disagree on where our knowledge leads us. I have always found philosophy history and arts fascinating also and if I am able to when I go to college I plan to major in physics and maybe minor in philosophy also.

      The thing about evolution is that it does not have to explain how life got here at all. That is the same thing as saying that quantum mechanics does not explain my mothers choice on what to get at Starbucks. It simply does not have to. A scientific theory is a model of a specific part of the universe. It is usually limited to that one specific focus unless we are talking about a grand unified theory in physics, which would technically explain everything. If you would like a theory explaining the origin of life, look up Abiogenesis. IF you want an explanation for how “here” got here, look up the big bang theory. If science does one day lead to a grand artist then science will admit it but we are not there right now. Scientific naturalism is 99.99% infallible. And that .01% is if every scientist becomes brain washed and stats making a cover up with would make Dan Brown very happy.

      I don’t believe that science is no longer question evolution because it stood for so long but mainly because there is nothing that has stood against it that has not received debunking. There are scientific journals that support creationism because there are just some people who won’t listen to the people who have debunked them already.

      I also believe that all of the facts so far point to a naturalistic creation. And I am happy to hear that you don’t say such things to your son because unhappy kids are never a good thing. But love has been explained but the reactions of synapses in our brain are irrelevant. What is relevant is what those synapses make us feel. The concept of love has helped the human race survive and it erases the lonely feeling in the world which leads to a happier life.

      I have been told time and time again that I will gain faith one day and science won’t work all the time. Honestly I don’t particularly care about that. I am living in the moment these days and I am happier because of it. While living in the moment I can still be a realist and think about the future when it needs to be thought about. So perhaps I will find faith one day but that does not concern me. What concerns me right now is my family, friends and cosmology. I love all three of theses things and while you can lead some things to a destination. Most things actually lead you places that you never dreamt of. Things like your son and wife. My friends, family, and passion will lead me to happiness I believe right now.

      But I promise you I will still ask questions. I can promise you that. I actually wrote an essay on the necessity to ask why in my 8th grade English class. Any way I’m rambling on and I didn’t mean to.

  8. July 11, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Cody

    Fair enough. I don’t have much more to say about everything except that if I believed that love were a “concept” and an actual thing, just an evolutionary coping mechanism designed by mother nature, or that when I tell my son “I love you” means nothing more than my animal instict to survive then mother nature has failed us in her quest to prolong the human race. Wouldn’t have been more prudent of her to leave God out of this?

    I leave you with words recorded by Luke the Physician as a skeptic named Gamaliel and keep in mind, Luke had no idea what was to come of his faith in Christ in the rest of the world 2,000 years ago.

    Acts 5:33-39 (English Standard Version)

    33When they heard this, they(A) were enraged and wanted to kill them. 34But a Pharisee in the council named(B) Gamaliel,(C) a teacher of the law held in honor by all the people, stood up and gave orders to put the men outside for a little while. 35And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you are about to do with these men. 36For(D) before these days Theudas rose up,(E) claiming to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him. He was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37After him Judas the Galilean rose up in the days of(F) the census and drew away some of the people after him. He too perished, and all who followed him were scattered. 38So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for(G) if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail; 39but(H) if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You(I) might even be found opposing God!”

    No one has overthrown them yet.

    Much love in Christ, may He invade your heart by the same word that created the world! It was fun talking to you.

  9. July 11, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    **as a skeptic named Gamaliel offered some advice regarding Christ. my bad! 🙂

  10. July 11, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    ** and NOT an actual thing…Dang I was messin’ up


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